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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hello Richard um I'm back in the zone

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Stefan we thought you were dead ah I

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almost why you were I almost was it's

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been so long yeah I've had this massive

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great bronchitis thing that lasted about

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six weeks that's no good for a singer it

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for no it's not fortunately for some

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reason I did I didn't have many gigs on

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at the moment does I think it's a thing

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that I do every time I don't have no

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gigs I get sick um yeah but they're you

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guys so it's good to be back in the zone

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oh it's good to see you back here Stefan

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now I bet because he was so ill you

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trying a few of the old alternative

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remedies I tried everything I placed a

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call with medicines on medicine doctors

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without medicine yeah they couldn't help

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me I had the life wire happening

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everywhere yeah I tried the 123 gut plus

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I did everyone know crystals chanting

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chakra balancing and you know what the

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bacteria in my bronchial tubes just

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wouldn't go away get away yeah it's

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unbelievable you would have thought with

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all those treatments that would have but

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no and in the end i went for antibiotics

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really so you sucked up to modern

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science I'll medicine today that's why I

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bought Big Pharma big pharma yeah I'm

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countering the big pharma now and and

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yeah the funny thing is it actually

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works it's a miracle I'm miracle that

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antibiotics work to fight bacteria in

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your pocket change it's a miracle and

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order it's also a miracle that this is

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show number 83 it is not it is ah

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Richard this show is I mean I can't

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believe I was going to be dead after six

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episodes and we're still going did you

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I'll thanks for your confidence no I

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want faith of that 83 that's fantastic

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yeah it's the 21st to my show 83 and

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what an interesting show we have for you

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we have a report we went once again to

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our favorite place the mind-body-spirit

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festival oh my very spirit yeah oh

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you're not allowed to say walls anymore

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all right mine body wallet that's the

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that's the festival I know and love ya

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well we went there a number of years ago

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we filmed a report there yeah now we

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ever had a lot of

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yeah and they do it don't do it like

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twice a year in Sydney yeah did you

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think even like once once every couple

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years is probably enough but they they

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do it twice a year and it was packed out

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we could hardly move there were hundreds

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of stands and thousands of people

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milling around getting their chakras

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realigned and all sorts of things or as

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my brother said who joined us on the

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trip maybe he came up with a beauty said

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I've come here to get my spirit

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cleansing my hog washed oh that's a good

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one you know I actually should have

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turned up and just coughed all over

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everybody and just seeing how how

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magically they all defended it that you

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should have we saw some interesting

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people there that's for sure but that

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reports just just on and sweetly you

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know what we were also getting letters

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from people wanting to hear more of dr.

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Stefan oh I tell you what this is dr.

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Stefan makes his full recovery the

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course of antibiotics are nearly

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finished he's coming back he's come home

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really why I know I've been out of the

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loop for a while but dr. Stefan Soyka is

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yeah I think there's a non-smoking

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course that I think he's working on

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moment but it's just it's in the labs

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it's in the last absorb it's about to be

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really say and what another another

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think tank yeah and that's followed by

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the the think tank of dr. rachy dr.

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Chrissy Albert friends Jason and James

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joined us in our favorite club down the

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street and we have a good old chat but

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we're very excited because we're working

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very hard every week I can assure

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everybody on Tam Australia ah that's

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going to be massive his November isn't

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in November more stars in the Milky Way

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coming along Tamela stress so you got a

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few more celebs coming down well if the

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lineup includes james randi DJ Grothe

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brian dunning skip excited the universe

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silencing Eugenie Scott dr. Karl

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cruising iski dr. Paul Willis Fred

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Watson the astronomer it goes on and on

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and more names on the way dr. Rachel dr.

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I'm gonna be there to take ticket to the

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door or something you know I think the

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earth is probably going to shift on its

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axis from the weight of skepticism in

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Sydney coming down under I think so in

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the good news is the official website

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will be up in a matter of a week or so

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xojo maybe a week or two but very soon

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and all the names will be there and

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details about tickets will be coming

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along before too long too it's got to be

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a huge right so i reckon a few more

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people should come for a holiday and

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enjoy the wonderful atmosphere here in

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sydney and all the climb and everything

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in and all and even after it's finished

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i could go for a trick up north to the

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cans or byron bay absolutely ayers rock

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yo make it a big holiday come for the

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for the big dam sydney and and stick

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around for Australia a lot of people

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will be doing that absolutely and before

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that of course there we're getting ready

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a group of us from the Australian

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skeptics and the skeptics owner off to

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Las Vegas for tam 8 in Las Vegas Oh

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Richard you're such a jetsetter I know I

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like racking up those frequent fire

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frequent fire points playa points Oh

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freedom fraught fryer I appoints look

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well lip I think we should just get on

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with the show cuz I'm about to put time

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another hacking any second now so let's

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get into it and I guess I'll see you the

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hello listeners and welcome to the

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mind-body wallet festival or the

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mind-body-spirit festival i'm here on

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the steps at the sydney exhibition

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centre and we're about to go in once

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again to brave a mind body spirit and

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i'm here with richard hi Richard hi Rach

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you why do we do it I don't know what

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was that and I'm also here with James or

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bastard sheep hi James I'm scared a

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check too scared did you bring your

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sheep to help you not yeah braids come I

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of stuff that we usually see you know

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there's going to be some fun stuff

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there's going to be some you know nice

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smelling soaps and good food but there's

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also going to be some fairly scary stuff

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isn't there James the other

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Scientologists here so yeah that's true

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Scientologist to hear there's usually

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people selling magic water that cures

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things don't think it's two dollars

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inside all right this is what we get a

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brave in the ticket Reggie honey yeah

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will go in and maybe who knows when

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applied kinesiology

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foot is on the hard way yes so we might

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we're going to see that you can

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demonstrate it we must recognize you by

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taking photographs no I think it's

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suspicious of us are suspiciously I

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didn't demonstrate me I think I can

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somehow I think I can demonstrate it

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actually you probably recognize this you

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Richard for your kinesiology video he

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might how many hits as it had now over a

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thousand and so our small party went

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into the mind-body-spirit festival well

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nearly 10 years every six months in fact

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one ring through the holes of psychics

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crystal healing chanting lots of

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drumming for some reason mystical pills

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and potions machines that work on

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quantum energy and the question always

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is well why do we do it well I do it

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personally to learn what the other side

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is thinking or not thinking as the case

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may be and every time I go without

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exception I learn something new this

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time especially this time I learned a

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few more tricks on how the applied

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kinesiology muscle testing works even

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though I thought I knew practically

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everything there is to know we're still

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surprised by some of the ways that the

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practitioners were using to to sell this

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idea we saw some new things too

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titanium Tesla disks that save you from

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radiation some sort of molten plastic

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that prevents you from getting terrible

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dire consequences from flying airports

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and airplanes however that works i

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really don't know it's very common to

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see at these mind-body wallet or

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mind-body-spirit festivals people who

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will diagnose your problems using

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everything from intuition to sensing to

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machines that are based on pseudoscience

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like the magic of quantum energy for

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example which is just needles and dials

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that flash and work but the people who

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will diagnose you remarkably enough on

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the shelf behind them will have what you

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need to be cured be it homeopathy or

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mushed up garden scraps who knows or

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some weird such thing now for years

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Australian skeptics have been trying to

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get the health authorities interested in

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mind body wallet seems to us that it's

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really a free pass for people to do all

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sorts of flim-flammery and get away with

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it lots of cash in hand lots of cash in

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hand lots of cash being passed about at

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this place and I don't think very many

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records would be kept i might be wrong i

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might be wrong

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there's 50 or so psychics in a big room

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reading and tarot cards and all the

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usual things it's quite funny to be a

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stop there occasionally and people look

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at me and say you've got a familiar face

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where have I seen here before I gave

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somebody my card in a

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one-hundred-thousand-dollar challenge

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card from Australian skeptics a psychic

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who immediately scoffed putting me down

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on the spot ah you're just one of those

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skeptics I don't have to do this etc

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well I guess you know the story if you

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have the chance to visit a

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mind-body-spirit festival or a new age

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festival as a good skeptic you should go

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you should go and ask questions it's a

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mistake to go there thinking you can

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change minds or your you can reveal

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something which will shatter illusions

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that just won't happen even when I did

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the applied kinesiology tricks back on

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the people doing the tricks to other

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people of course it didn't it didn't

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make any difference if they're sincere

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and believe what they were doing then

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I'm not going to change their mind even

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if I can do the same sort of thing and

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if they're con artists fleecing the

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public they're going to tell me to get

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it's a no-win situation in that respect

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but if you have the chance I encourage

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I think really raise you the one true

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joy about mind body wallet is coming to

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Chinatown afterwards yes and nomming yes

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it's pretty much the only joy in fact

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you know I expected that mind-body

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wallet would get easier the more times I

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went but I think this is my fourth time

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yeah and and I knew you had a long talk

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of somebody earlier on in Chu yes I did

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who did I talk to not do you like oh was

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it the cancer guy the water cancel my

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account yes that's yeah yeah I mean that

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these people come every year actually

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they they have a store that sells

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alkaline water and their claims are then

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cancer can only live in acidic

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environments and so if you alkalize your

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body then cancer can't grow and amongst

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other things you know they have a little

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pamphlet that says helped with my asthma

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helped with my kicker disease which ever

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one and we actually got one of these

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people to say to someone that I was with

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that you could use this water for cancer

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therapy he said that and I lost it at

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that point and I explained to him that

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that is illegal and unethical and just

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you know I borrowed to the extreme and

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then he backtracked as fast as he could

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and tried to say no no I didn't say that

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I didn't say that but the guy was with

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is it Jarrod Jarrod Jarrod he said he

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looked at this guy and said no you just

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said that to me you said I can use water

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for cancer therapy and I told this guy

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that I was going to report him to the

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health care compliance Commission

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because they do this every year they

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were doing a talk at the the speaker's

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corner entitled tap water cures

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incurable diseases and when I asked him

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about that he said ah no no no

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we don't mean tap water I said I'll

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watch him in your water your special

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alkaline water said oh no no no we can't

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say that but I have a photograph of the

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program that says tap water cures

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incurable diseases yeah yeah and then he

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pointed me to the old gentleman who's

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there every six months you know the one

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that said he had liver cancer and now

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he's better and he pointed me in his

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direction I said look there's our

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evidence and I said to him look that's a

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really nice story you've got there you

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telling me this guy recovered from the

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other cancer that's the story yeah you

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don't have any evidence you can't say

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this it's illegal and unethical I had an

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interesting talk for the person from the

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happy science mm-hmm who was telling me

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that there Master whose name I can't

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remember now has access to the universal

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knowledge library which is in another

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dimension and I said why really

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earth-centered really he's never there

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when i'm there and he said oh you're

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just making that up and i said and he's

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not I said no it's true it's behind Mars

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that's where I go so you're but you're

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making it up but he's not making it up

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he's great master wasn't making it up

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obviously yeah but you know it was it

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was funny too because we were talking to

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the sound therapy people yeah I know

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this lady was clearly convinced that

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playing music in two people at a

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slightly different wavelength or

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something can cure and treat all these

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things that she said oh no doesn't cure

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a retreat I mean she said it helps with

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you know all this sort of stuff but then

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but then she had this folder thick full

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of testimonials yeah

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and you said to her but you know some

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people I can run a testimony or anyone

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from by the testimony or how do I know

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that it's real and she said on my

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testimony also real I mean it's like

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saying you know my psychics not a fraud

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yours is and she said but it's from a

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university professor and it's but it's

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just isn't it's astounding to me that

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people can be that gullible you know I

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mean we did the whole applied

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kinesiology thing again we did we found

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a couple of stands doing the arm tricks

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and the first time I did it back to one

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of the women doing it and the other

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woman came in and she was delivered and

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base as he told us to get lost and then

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I did it back to the guide the fusion XL

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yeah and you wasn't impressed either no

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but he seemed to be a little bit less

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towards the fact the fraudulent side

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because he played along with you talk

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about some time didn't he he did he

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didn't tell me to hop it yeah but he

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also told you how he does it and he

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basically said I shift your center of

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gravity yeah which is how it works right

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so the first time without the pendant

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you pushed away from someone's in a

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brother he admitted to that but then he

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said to you interestingly he said the

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pendant changes your center of gravity i

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miss that older yes time is luck that he

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still hadn't out sold out was that it

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was the pendant that do that work nice

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footwork but then I heard Jessica do the

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the swinging the arm behind the back

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tests and yeah with with just a little

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bit of magic I will get as much of

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fingers her fingers yeah Jessica that

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was your first time at mine body while

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everything it was pretty pretty

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upsetting actually the

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and you spent a lot of time talking to

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some of these people I did I did it was

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quite interesting to try to draw them

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out and find out what was what their

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ideas behind what they're saying was and

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then trying to get out of them some sort

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of sense with with the connections of it

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all yeah like I was with Rachel talking

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to one of the magic water people and he

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was saying the guy was saying you have

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we have too much acid in our bodies and

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if you have this water it it changes and

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it becomes alkaline and I noticed say

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well how does that physically happen and

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it was a blank he wasn't able to tell me

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and he was also claiming that too much

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acidity compromises your immune system

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it's like well how does that happen

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blank so it was some that's what well

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they used to people just listening

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nodding and then had forking over their

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money obviously obviously and I said to

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him look I only did science to you 10

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I'm not a scientist so I'm interested in

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how these things work and his response

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was oh I only did science thn too so

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here's this guy peddling this water and

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making this these claims which is

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supposedly based on science and he has

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no better qualifications than I do and

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he can't he can't explain to me as a

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consumer what it's supposed to do and

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its efficacy and how it's supposed to

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work and why it's so good so you know

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then we came across these people selling

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these funny discs and tagging along

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squares and things which was supposed to

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be to the technology of you call it

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Tesla

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interesting and magical things and this

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woman said that she could look at the

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disk can see the energy vortex was and

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we said Oh what yeah I can see it I said

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so I picked it up I said so if I hide it

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behind this baking still see the energy

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vortex year huh so if I give it to one

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of my friends here you'll be able to

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tell which one has it the this disk she

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said yes is yes I said ok turn around is

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he actually turned around but took a lot

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of time to get her friend understand to

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also turn around and she eventually did

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I give I gave the is to Jeff who walked

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off and then when she turned that data

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four of us stood there smiling away and

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she said this guy's got it you write me

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is you but you didn't have it and then

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Jeff came back and said well wasn't here

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at all she said but I have to be holding

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him to know where it is yeah it makes

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perfect but I gave her my i gave the

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skeptics challenge card anyway so we'll

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see what happens is this the disk thing

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that stops negative energy in a plane or

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something that was another one ok but

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whatever yeah whatever so once again

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we've braved mind-body wallet and

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although it's on again in six months

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time just before the 10 oh so we might

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not gotta go Richard the same people

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again and again yeah yeah the same

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people are they are going to get be

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Christmas that the magic water thing

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seemed to be continually passing magic

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water it was just unbelievable and in

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the same people it's like the same

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before a template almost like you get

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the same kind of thing in some of the

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some of the Rosa I couldn't work out

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with my been here before yeah exactly

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yeah given a people look the same yeah

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every six months we passed magic water

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when we go there there's a lot of

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different magic water yeah we passed

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magic water oh haha i have to say to

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Crispian Yago he needs to do a

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caricature of riches brother Jeff

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because his jokes are just as piss poor

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and rich is on that note thank you

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yeah aight guys i was talking to Richard

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solvency today all right he said if we

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record a trailer for our podcast

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skeptics with a que he'd play it on

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their on their show nice nice of him

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that's very generous it's pretty good

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i'm not sure what we could do though I

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mean well suppose you tell people shows

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about but it's basically as this yeah

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but yeah but you know we talk about

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science and skepticism and things that's

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that's true that's fuzzier you mentioned

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the website address what merseyside

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skeptics todo UK yeah yeah just like

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searches night UN's oh and then we could

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end with like a big song like the

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skeptics with okay oh no no no no don't

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don't do that join us now for drinking

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skeptically in the think tank and here

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we are once again in our favorite club

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just down the street if you look down

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the street I'm sure you'll find it for

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the think tank cheers everybody oh thank

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you for this glass of champagne doctor

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AG hello Richard you're welcome thank

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you very much i really enjoy that and of

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course we have our regular skeptic zone

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type person dr. Chrissy hello hello dr.

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Chrissy now you're jetting off to London

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is Randy we'll talk about that more in a

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moment James hello James hey everyone

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g'day hand Oh Jason good evening good

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evening so a couple of xuan's a couple

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of blowing Owens no god we've got a

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bastard sheep and a drunken man man

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through a might not know them by their

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real name thanks yeah rumor has it and

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we have little momentum to you tonight

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we do ya little normington who is now

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the official mascot of the skeptic zone

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you can see little numbing turn on the

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video we just put out about applied

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kinesiology I think it's a little

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normanton production it is a little

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known as introduction little normington

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though the power wombat the power one

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that yes it has actually the same power

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as things like the power balance

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bracelet I believe in the fusion XL

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pendant and other various ones yes

537
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and they're quite expensive but Rachel I

538
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,419
see that you can actually buy them for

539
00:24:09,889 --> 00:24:06,299
very cheaply not you can in fact a

540
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:09,899
friend of mine at ways MGK he found them

541
00:24:15,019 --> 00:24:13,500
online from the supplier and do you want

542
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:15,029
to hazard a guess I mean they're still

543
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:17,700
in Australia for sixty dollars yeah I

544
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:20,610
think in new zealand where they did a

545
00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:23,340
little exposé on them recently which

546
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,470
featured you by the way did me and Vicki

547
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:27,539
hide from New Zealand skeptics I think

548
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:29,490
there's 70 new zealand dollars or

549
00:24:32,509 --> 00:24:30,570
something like that yeah something like

550
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:32,519
that so how much do you guys reckon you

551
00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:35,190
pay for them wholesale if they'd sell

552
00:24:41,419 --> 00:24:37,830
for 60 those prices probably about 30

553
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:41,429
maybe 20 minimum Wow dollars given the

554
00:24:47,299 --> 00:24:43,799
materials it's a little loop of mylar

555
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:47,309
and a funny little hologram if you're

556
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:51,419
lucky what about four bucks so you

557
00:24:56,269 --> 00:24:53,190
telling me dr. hu that they're not that

558
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:56,279
price that that you know reasonable

559
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:58,440
price of sixty dollars or whatever no

560
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:00,299
well according to the information I have

561
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:02,330
you can buy them wholesale from china

562
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:07,350
for three cents 33 senselessness three

563
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:09,450
cents I see and they're worth every cent

564
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,470
/ 160 dollars from how balanced or you

565
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:16,559
can go to China and get what 200 not bad

566
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,809
for the same price and you can get them

567
00:25:23,629 --> 00:25:20,880
personalized as well they'll put your

568
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:23,639
own type of logo or your own name or I

569
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:27,720
am power balance she'll if I spend three

570
00:25:35,539 --> 00:25:30,419
cents on each one for the same price as

571
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:35,549
one I could be 200 times as strong be a

572
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:37,980
saucer the funny thing is though if you

573
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:40,049
go to the website and I might put the

574
00:25:42,919 --> 00:25:41,850
URL up on the blog if people wanted to

575
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:42,929
want to look for it because it's not

576
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:46,049
that easy to find within the description

577
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:47,340
which is sort of written in chinglish

578
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:50,580
because it's been translated not very

579
00:25:56,539 --> 00:25:53,190
well but it does say what these things

580
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,549
are so it says silicone bracelet gives

581
00:26:02,000 --> 00:25:58,919
you extra strength improves health so it

582
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,010
has all those same claims but then when

583
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:04,559
you scroll through the type of bracelets

584
00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:05,850
that you can select there is a power

585
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:06,870
balance and there's something quite

586
00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:07,890
different than theirs

587
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:09,990
a little option that says get your own

588
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:13,860
logo so it's interesting because some I

589
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:16,770
saw that a listener alerted me to the

590
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:18,420
fact that New Zealand television had

591
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:20,940
done a story on the power balance

592
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:22,740
because the man who is the Australian

593
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,140
distributed tommo doubt who I met when I

594
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,880
did the story with him in Adelaide last

595
00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:29,400
year was apparently got a new zealand is

596
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:32,070
flogging this stuff and they asked him

597
00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:33,900
about the test that on australian TV

598
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:36,030
because he failed five out of five tests

599
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:39,690
and he just really downplayed them said

600
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:41,370
they were just a silly thing a nuisance

601
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:44,850
and guessing game well tom when you did

602
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:48,210
the tests with me in Australia I made a

603
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,670
point of asking you in every stage

604
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,620
whether you agreed with the tests and

605
00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:55,440
you were very happy with these tests he

606
00:27:01,580 --> 00:26:57,030
was happy until he failed all the tests

607
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:01,590
Richard funny that funny then which gets

608
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:03,290
back to this video that we put out

609
00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:04,860
listeners you would have seen that

610
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,040
because it was in the feed and thank you

611
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:09,600
all those people writing in saying how

612
00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:11,490
much you enjoyed the video which of

613
00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:14,280
course stars dr. H and dr. Chrissy thank

614
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:15,870
you dr. Chrissy yeah there was good fun

615
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:18,750
it was good fun and I hope that people

616
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,200
out there getting some benefit out of

617
00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:23,940
that video we're going to do some more

618
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:27,150
and we're wondering what we should do

619
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:29,970
videos on this is like how it's done you

620
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:32,100
know the secrets behind so if listeners

621
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:35,640
have any ideas let us know let us know

622
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,580
and we'll the more the merrier and we'll

623
00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:40,500
see what we can do like I said Richard

624
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:42,800
it needs to be something fairly specific

625
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:48,870
yeah well we had the idea of doing cold

626
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:51,130
reading which is fine but cold reading

627
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:53,170
is a very big topic and we've got 10

628
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:54,910
minutes to sort of get the idea across

629
00:28:02,960 --> 00:27:56,710
but anyway we'll give will give that

630
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:02,970
some thought now speaking of hot salami

631
00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:06,640
what at the signal that was a segue yeah

632
00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:10,420
yeah that was my best um you've got a

633
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:13,270
story about the bum boners haven't you I

634
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:16,510
have you do haha I don't know we're

635
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:18,190
gonna discuss this tonight of course we

636
00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:20,650
are well I suppose I better give some

637
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:23,860
context to this story there is a type of

638
00:28:28,770 --> 00:28:25,870
salami that's only available in South

639
00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:28,780
Australia in Adelaide which is called a

640
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:31,180
bum burner and basically it's a very

641
00:28:37,530 --> 00:28:33,490
very hot salami hence the name and the

642
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:37,540
name is actually a warning listeners and

643
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:40,450
Richard and I discovered these well I

644
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:41,740
used to live in Adelaide so I've known

645
00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:43,030
them for a while but when we went down

646
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:45,070
to Adelaide to the skeptics convention

647
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:47,650
last year we brought up a whole lot and

648
00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:49,570
we've since been importing them three

649
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:52,120
kilos at a time because you can buy them

650
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:54,010
in there is that way of their

651
00:28:59,610 --> 00:28:55,960
extraordinary because they're hot I mean

652
00:29:03,690 --> 00:28:59,620
they're really hottie it's burning spicy

653
00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:03,700
hot but the flavor is just yeah they're

654
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:05,680
not they're not like something that's so

655
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:07,270
chilly hot that you just taste the chili

656
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:08,650
you do actually get the flavor yeah yeah

657
00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:13,030
yeah yeah so I've happened to find some

658
00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:14,860
in my drawer at work the other day which

659
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:16,060
I didn't know were there and I was very

660
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:18,730
excited and so tweeted it and I'm

661
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:20,380
somebody wrote back to me on Twitter and

662
00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:23,080
said that they discovered them because

663
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:24,670
you and I were talking about them on the

664
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:28,210
zone yeah and they now get their auntie

665
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:30,310
or their auntie's daughter or something

666
00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:32,770
to send them over from Adelaide every

667
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:34,270
few months so they don't run out of

668
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:36,760
supplies either they're addictive on

669
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:39,070
their incredibly incredibly now these

670
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:41,530
are available from the met workshop in

671
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:43,540
Adelaide do they have a website don't

672
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:45,100
they you can order yeah they do it's at

673
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:47,290
the Central Market in Adelaide if you

674
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,660
just google the network shop central

675
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,820
market you'll find it and you can call

676
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:53,320
up and speak to the lovely staff and

677
00:29:56,220 --> 00:29:55,510
order three kilos at a time and send us

678
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,230
a killer

679
00:30:00,750 --> 00:29:58,720
if you like spicy food and you're like

680
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:00,760
Swami's these are a marriage made in

681
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:03,970
heaven and what's food is it yeah fries

682
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:06,669
it's a salami and bum burning ordinary

683
00:30:15,299 --> 00:30:10,120
sure waiting a little bit it's not tail

684
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:15,309
end oh when you have that you know about

685
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:17,830
your tail in let me tell you um is there

686
00:30:21,299 --> 00:30:19,210
any particular reason while we're

687
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:21,309
talking about this because I so do any

688
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:26,740
of them stop the skeptical about man is

689
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:29,350
this really good but the step up are

690
00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:31,450
called fire starters which are bum burn

691
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:36,100
is encased in chili flakes hmm wow wow

692
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,110
yeah they're they're serious finish

693
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,480
thank you you can't we finish Thank You

694
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Leslie visa Oh No thank you I don't

695
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:45,850
think so thank you very much yes of

696
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:48,250
course we're recording from our Chinese

697
00:30:54,539 --> 00:30:52,020
restaurant in our club down the street

698
00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:54,549
which we just had a nice Chinese dinner

699
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:56,860
in fact as we normally did before the

700
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:58,330
pink thing I'm very reasonably priced

701
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:00,700
very reasonably priced so thank you just

702
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:04,870
make this into a podcast about hey don't

703
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:07,720
you need to get a free drink i do i need

704
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:12,450
to go spaghetti now um let me mention

705
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:14,860
before we get into other topics that

706
00:31:19,169 --> 00:31:17,410
thank you again and i'm always thanking

707
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:19,179
people for writing in telling us what

708
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:20,770
you're doing while you're listening to

709
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:23,350
the zone i'm sure people right now are

710
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:24,790
raiding the fridge because they're

711
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,110
probably feeling hungry after listening

712
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:29,440
to all that but a listener from the

713
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:31,809
states Brian George who's an artist

714
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:35,410
wrote to me saying that he does his

715
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:37,330
heart work while listening to us on the

716
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:38,860
skeptic zone and I checked out his

717
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:41,919
website and what wonderful art he does

718
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:44,559
create so if listeners want to have a

719
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:47,290
look it's called the art of a

720
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:51,130
carbon-based life form and that's HTTP

721
00:31:59,159 --> 00:31:55,210
colon slash slash carbon-based art dot

722
00:32:03,890 --> 00:31:59,169
blogspot com the artwork of Brian George

723
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:03,900
check it out it's really really a really

724
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:05,810
striking out work

725
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:07,970
is he the guy that does the medical

726
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:10,130
sculpting or is that different that's a

727
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:11,510
different guy oh okay there's a

728
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:13,310
different guy but I'm really pleased

729
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:16,280
that you know artists of beavering away

730
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:18,410
doing their artwork and listening to to

731
00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:20,570
us hmm that's fantastic so thank you

732
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,520
Brian extra Brian here with his

733
00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:23,840
headphones on listening to the Skip

734
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,750
other all there he is very gay since

735
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:29,200
just um dialed up his website and he has

736
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:31,850
yeah he's wearing headphones and working

737
00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:33,740
see that lovely artwork he's creating

738
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:35,870
with the hands there if you scroll down

739
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,330
you can see that the finished product

740
00:32:43,390 --> 00:32:40,640
let's see I reaching down the hand

741
00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:43,400
reaching up yeah it's quite good isn't

742
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:45,740
it it's exquisite it is really nice

743
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:49,430
aren't we so um and that's that's more

744
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:52,490
examples there that's really uh oh he

745
00:33:00,400 --> 00:32:54,470
likes Francis Bacon that's something I

746
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:00,410
just like faking I like bridget is there

747
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:03,950
is a theme Francis Bacon is amazing it

748
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:06,950
messed up sir Brian look sincerely thank

749
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,290
you for for letting us know and I'm

750
00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:11,360
sharing your wonderful artwork with us

751
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:14,300
so listeners have a look that's really

752
00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:17,450
fantastic okay let's move on to a story

753
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:19,700
that's been in the news on that on the

754
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:21,980
TV here just recently and that's to do

755
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,480
with those people at the church of

756
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,720
scientology raging yeah they've been

757
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:29,840
copping it in the media in the last like

758
00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:33,050
three or four days um this started with

759
00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:36,800
a story done by steve canaan who is a

760
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:39,230
very good work walkley and winning

761
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:42,650
walkling a winning the award winning

762
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:46,370
journalist he's also my love everything

763
00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:52,070
Steve does yes but I'm not biased yeah

764
00:33:56,620 --> 00:33:54,140
he did a story on the cult of

765
00:33:58,900 --> 00:33:56,630
Scientology and he did a two-part story

766
00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:58,910
on ABC late line and if you want to find

767
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:01,520
these stories sheep has them on his

768
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,470
youtube channel don't you yep that's

769
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:04,880
right so you can just go to youtube.com

770
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:07,010
forward slash bastard sheep and you'll

771
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:09,290
be able to find them all there yeah so

772
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:11,720
the first the first story appeared on

773
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:13,780
late line and it's just basically about

774
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:15,940
the daughter wasn't

775
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,760
yeah actually Jason's got the I do this

776
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:20,800
is a blam I story about sculpt Hannah

777
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,599
who's the daughter of mark hanna and

778
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:27,280
Vicki Dunston Vicki Dunstan's the

779
00:34:30,839 --> 00:34:28,629
current president of Scientology in

780
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:30,849
Australia mark pan is a former high up

781
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:33,159
I'm not exactly sure where he is at the

782
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:36,010
moment but given that he tried to kiss

783
00:34:40,859 --> 00:34:37,929
an anonymous protester protester

784
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:40,869
recently and got arrested for it I think

785
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:42,220
it's probably not particularly high up

786
00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:59,650
last time thank you they are real folks

787
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:01,400
people have been waiting for those for a

788
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,470
long time haven't they hey there's your

789
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:05,630
bus announced weeks we get bad reviews

790
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:09,830
if there's no bus announced we do people

791
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:12,950
love him someone was saying they want to

792
00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:14,780
set up a Facebook fan site for the bus

793
00:35:22,570 --> 00:35:19,460
and weird you should see Chrissy's face

794
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:22,580
at the moment so bacteria on

795
00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:24,890
back-to-school Hannity yes let's go

796
00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:29,140
Hannah daughter of Vicky and Mark she's

797
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:31,880
made some specific claims about how

798
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:33,410
children are treated in the the

799
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:35,690
so-called Church of Scientology and it's

800
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:38,090
been it's quite damaging stories really

801
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:42,350
Richie yeah well I think the first part

802
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:47,870
was was that to do with being taken from

803
00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:50,620
her parents and I mean there's certainly

804
00:35:54,370 --> 00:35:52,520
accusations of child abuse that were

805
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:54,380
covered our separation family separation

806
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:56,630
yeah yeah the story I've got in front of

807
00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:59,090
me here the the allowance was about 20

808
00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:01,130
minutes each night with parents so the

809
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:03,380
kids taken away more kids of the Sea Org

810
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:05,480
members at least the Sea Org is that saw

811
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:07,160
the high up elite if you like the

812
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:09,290
Scientology yeah they just the old man

813
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:10,940
was given you know only about 20 minutes

814
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:14,140
with their parents they've been a lot of

815
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:16,850
allegations over the years of child

816
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:20,960
labor you know kids of our 13 14 being

817
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,090
put onto staff and forced to work at

818
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:25,520
minimum wage that kind of thing so

819
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:27,080
that's that was the first part story in

820
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:30,440
the second part story was more specific

821
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:33,209
on in terms of abuse

822
00:36:40,349 --> 00:36:36,089
but in in between those two stories

823
00:36:42,419 --> 00:36:40,359
James there were two stories on the same

824
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:42,429
night on the sort of current affairs

825
00:36:47,219 --> 00:36:44,410
shows so a current affair and today

826
00:36:49,499 --> 00:36:47,229
tonight both did the same story at the

827
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:49,509
same time didn't they that's gone went

828
00:36:55,289 --> 00:36:52,929
on Tuesday night wasn't it no those

829
00:36:57,269 --> 00:36:55,299
Wednesday night so late line had a

830
00:36:59,130 --> 00:36:57,279
Tuesday night then States not in Current

831
00:37:02,099 --> 00:36:59,140
Affair Wednesday night at the exact same

832
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:02,109
time to the minute yeah yeah with it

833
00:37:05,729 --> 00:37:03,609
would this same girl what was her name

834
00:37:07,499 --> 00:37:05,739
again hello Hannah yeah with Scarlett

835
00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:07,509
had that's not unusual though often

836
00:37:11,279 --> 00:37:09,489
those two competing shows will have the

837
00:37:13,169 --> 00:37:11,289
same story on at the same time but

838
00:37:15,809 --> 00:37:13,179
obviously Steve Canaan had the exclusive

839
00:37:18,689 --> 00:37:15,819
yeah and he at once he add the first

840
00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:18,699
part then the the vultures pounced and

841
00:37:22,499 --> 00:37:20,949
you know ran the same story at the same

842
00:37:23,759 --> 00:37:22,509
time with watching all three of them

843
00:37:26,359 --> 00:37:23,769
because there is different information

844
00:37:29,249 --> 00:37:26,369
adding to the story in all three of them

845
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,259
you can't get out on your YouTube

846
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:31,839
channel that's great I think one of the

847
00:37:35,669 --> 00:37:33,130
things I found interesting about the

848
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:35,679
second part of the Lateline story was

849
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:37,630
that was particularly focused on the

850
00:37:43,949 --> 00:37:40,630
cover-up of molestation of a young girl

851
00:37:46,339 --> 00:37:43,959
I think 11 years old or 13 years old by

852
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:46,349
one of the high up people in the church

853
00:37:54,509 --> 00:37:50,650
and there was one particular woman who

854
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:54,519
was involved in the sort of human right

855
00:38:00,149 --> 00:37:57,249
side of church of scientology and is

856
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:00,159
alleged that she actually coached the

857
00:38:05,429 --> 00:38:03,249
mother and the daughter to not speak out

858
00:38:07,289 --> 00:38:05,439
about the abuse because this is

859
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:07,299
Commissioner to human rights which is a

860
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:09,369
branch of Scientology which is very anti

861
00:38:14,489 --> 00:38:11,499
psychology that's right yeah they're the

862
00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:14,499
people that the welfare name is as you

863
00:38:19,529 --> 00:38:17,439
say the citizens Commission for human

864
00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:19,539
rights but in fact they're totally

865
00:38:24,779 --> 00:38:22,479
against any treatment psychiatry oh yeah

866
00:38:28,739 --> 00:38:24,789
the basically in anti-psychiatry front

867
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:28,749
group and in an odd kind of segue the

868
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:31,130
avn sell their material on these on

869
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:33,170
store all right I was going to say that

870
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:35,420
the pet them but the thing that's really

871
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:37,550
interesting about the allegations made

872
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:40,550
last night once they spoke to this the

873
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:44,660
girl who says that she was abused the

874
00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:46,550
woman that coached her mother and her to

875
00:38:51,010 --> 00:38:48,020
not speak out to the Department of

876
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:51,020
Community Services has since gone on to

877
00:38:54,970 --> 00:38:52,730
be one of the highest ranking people in

878
00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:54,980
the church and she's now involved in

879
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,220
cchr as you say and she's been awarded

880
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:01,280
the freedom medal I think for services

881
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:02,930
to human rights within the church of

882
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,710
scientology despite the fact that she

883
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:09,440
covered all this up and there was also

884
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:11,450
another woman on that report for who was

885
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:13,670
talking from seattle and she's an ex

886
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:15,110
member of the church and she's

887
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:16,730
subsequently written a couple of books

888
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:21,370
about the physical abuse that she was

889
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:23,660
but she succumb to when she was in the

890
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:26,390
church as well as other allegations

891
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:28,130
she's got about the way that children

892
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,410
are treated and other people are treated

893
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:32,240
in the church it's not been a good week

894
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,730
for Scientology well I mean all of this

895
00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:37,280
is happening at the moment because one

896
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:39,140
of our senators in Australia and Nick

897
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:42,190
Xenophon he called for a Senate inquiry

898
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:45,410
into the church of scientology some time

899
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:48,110
ago because he was of the opinion that

900
00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:49,610
it wasn't a church it shouldn't have

901
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:52,280
tax-free status and it's really a cult

902
00:39:58,810 --> 00:39:55,400
and that was knocked out it was voted

903
00:40:02,610 --> 00:39:58,820
out at the time but he's now cold and

904
00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:02,620
this is another segue for all tax-free

905
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:05,120
organizations to be investigated right

906
00:40:09,550 --> 00:40:07,730
and that includes and the cold citizen

907
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:09,560
and this includes someone else Jason who

908
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:11,420
does that include Oh does does that

909
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:15,200
include some glee the avian you

910
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:18,040
miss me really I think I much

911
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:21,470
interesting yeah okay well personally

912
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:23,870
myself I'd I see them all as cult really

913
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:25,700
so you know if you're gonna investigate

914
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,650
one call you should investigate that all

915
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:29,910
of their entitlements to

916
00:40:35,010 --> 00:40:33,490
to the tax-free status but i'm yeah i

917
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:35,020
mean the avian operates like a fellow as

918
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:38,530
well i think we were talking before we

919
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,990
were recording that a couple of months

920
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,790
ago on the skeptic zone we read out some

921
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:45,760
press release from Scientology and just

922
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:48,580
put in avian instead of something else

923
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:50,710
yeah and it didn't sound out of place

924
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,320
our place no no i mean speaking of um

925
00:41:00,089 --> 00:40:57,760
come and go on now just did you want to

926
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:00,099
say anything else about with cause now

927
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:01,450
they make me angry I don't want to talk

928
00:41:08,099 --> 00:41:05,290
about it yeah well I guess we'll wait

929
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:08,109
and see what happens but you know this

930
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,630
lady from Seattle was Tony Jones from

931
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:13,119
lateline asked her that's Amy's filming

932
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:16,330
Amy Scobie thank you Tony Jones asked

933
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,480
her what her opinion would be if what

934
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,760
would be the impact of Australia having

935
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:24,160
a Senate inquiry into Scientology and

936
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:25,660
whether that would resonate worldwide

937
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,790
and her opinion was it would be very

938
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:29,200
important and it would make a very big

939
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:33,910
impact so we can only hope that you know

940
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:36,310
Nick Xenophon can get this through and

941
00:41:40,349 --> 00:41:38,080
that this can be the beginning of a lot

942
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,359
of so-called charities and churches

943
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:42,400
being investigated interesting now

944
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,410
earlier in the show we had a report

945
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,440
about the mind-body-spirit festival and

946
00:41:52,589 --> 00:41:49,300
of course Scientology were there again

947
00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:52,599
the industry standard in tired throne

948
00:41:58,050 --> 00:41:55,420
yes and and this time they weren't

949
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,060
masquerading as anything they were just

950
00:42:01,820 --> 00:41:59,680
oh just Scientology know your

951
00:42:05,099 --> 00:42:01,830
Scientology and one of our friends

952
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,109
Jarrah from Wollongong had a stress test

953
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:07,599
on an e-meter I had one years ago and I

954
00:42:11,849 --> 00:42:09,570
made the needle dance everywhere but I

955
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:11,859
had a conversation with one of their

956
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:14,230
representatives and that you got to feel

957
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:16,180
sorry for these people you know I mean

958
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:18,580
they've been sucked in and they just he

959
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:19,930
was trying to tell me that thoughts

960
00:42:23,609 --> 00:42:22,030
don't come from the brain it's like

961
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,619
where do you go with someone who thinks

962
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:25,119
that thoughts don't come from the brain

963
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,430
your loans that it's just classic

964
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:29,200
dualism really

965
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:32,410
it comes from the soul sure see what i

966
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:36,160
mean by they're all culls you don't feel

967
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:38,589
sorry my tone I mean having spent so

968
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:40,390
many years investigating this sort of

969
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:44,050
stuff and talking to believers we almost

970
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,849
have to be willingly ignorant actually

971
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:47,640
wanting to be taken in for some of these

972
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:51,190
just know I feel sorry for the people on

973
00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:52,780
the fringes such as people you know in

974
00:42:56,339 --> 00:42:54,430
families who are trying to get out and

975
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:56,349
they've been separated from their loved

976
00:43:00,060 --> 00:42:58,420
ones yeah the ones that are born into it

977
00:43:01,319 --> 00:43:00,070
people that are actually trying to be

978
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:01,329
critical thinkers within the church and

979
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:04,660
make it a little more sensible and they

980
00:43:08,099 --> 00:43:06,609
just get crushed at every turn and then

981
00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:08,109
they're the ones we should feel sorry

982
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:13,750
for the actual true believers screw yeah

983
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:19,300
that show everyone up well let me let me

984
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:22,270
let me think of a good segue goods

985
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:25,060
favorite ah I had one what now this is

986
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,010
another topic now so I want to stay

987
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:28,480
going to yeah i was gonna segue into

988
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:29,950
another topic that's what a Segway is

989
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:32,020
right yes I wouldn't say why do the

990
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:33,880
things that you stand on oh that's right

991
00:43:39,569 --> 00:43:36,940
what happened to Lucy I never miss blame

992
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:39,579
Emmet rip off today but don't you know

993
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:41,650
when we will I when we went to dragoncon

994
00:43:47,339 --> 00:43:44,050
ya know people on segways helping with

995
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:47,349
the traffic know that yeah no nose ever

996
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:49,780
Jesus one gone often are you guys yeah

997
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:52,089
be yes he's special he blows stuff up

998
00:43:58,700 --> 00:43:55,980
for fun anyway

999
00:44:00,520 --> 00:43:58,710
okay here's the segue let me think now

1000
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:00,530
Scientology now they're a worldwide

1001
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:03,210
organization and then chrissy is going

1002
00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:05,700
around the world soon see wasn't it all

1003
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:12,030
right sans Chrissy's going to go to the

1004
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,580
to London for seven she's going to be

1005
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:16,800
meeting lots of interesting people over

1006
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:19,560
there now Chrissy to help you in your in

1007
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,100
your trip and help us I'd like to

1008
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:26,220
present you with this wonderful I River

1009
00:44:30,859 --> 00:44:29,070
recorder digital recorder so you can do

1010
00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:30,869
interviews from the slip to see that's

1011
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:32,820
superb that's exactly what I want that's

1012
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:34,950
a 4 gigabyte recorded voice recorder and

1013
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:38,220
I must have a special word now to thank

1014
00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:41,369
the listeners who donate to the skeptic

1015
00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:43,109
zone those who subscribe for a dollar a

1016
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:44,790
week or those who sometimes send us

1017
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,100
donations that money has gone directly

1018
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:49,260
into buying you this recorder well

1019
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,520
that's brilliant thank you very much

1020
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:52,140
listeners because some while I'm over

1021
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:53,490
there in London hopefully I'm going to

1022
00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:54,750
be catching up with some of my old mates

1023
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:58,820
um Chris French obviously cuz he was my

1024
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,650
supervisor when I did my PhD selfie

1025
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:03,960
catching up with him and I'm going to be

1026
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:06,030
giving a talk at skeptics in the pub in

1027
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:08,550
London they've actually got to skeptics

1028
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:10,050
in the pub near which i found a bit

1029
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,780
bizarre lovely jacket Kent he started up

1030
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:15,200
his own skeptics in the pub but in

1031
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:18,359
Westminster yeah um fellow nerds a big

1032
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,190
question well it is I wonder if it's

1033
00:45:28,070 --> 00:45:21,660
this is going to be start of you know

1034
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:28,080
lots of other boroughs of London or I

1035
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:31,050
know could be because complete also a

1036
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:33,570
skeptic wars I think that is the one in

1037
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:37,260
Wales oh no there is not yet yep tonight

1038
00:45:42,830 --> 00:45:39,990
I'm not yet yeah that's order but where

1039
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:42,840
will you be right right i will be in the

1040
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:46,140
the one in central london in central

1041
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:49,950
London wedding right it's the 8 jun yep

1042
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:52,770
hey June eighth June starts at seven

1043
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,690
o'clock I think best thing to do check

1044
00:45:59,770 --> 00:45:57,920
out their website four times and dates

1045
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:59,780
rest of it and because I think they have

1046
00:46:03,609 --> 00:46:01,430
limited numbers now when i was there a

1047
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:03,619
few years ago anyone could just turn up

1048
00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:05,480
but it got so popular now that they have

1049
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:07,160
to limit numbers so you need to check

1050
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:09,710
out the website to make sure that you

1051
00:46:16,539 --> 00:46:12,680
can get two good games yeah I know it's

1052
00:46:20,829 --> 00:46:16,549
amazing you know which prob attack no

1053
00:46:23,049 --> 00:46:20,839
I've stopped it changed it was always

1054
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:23,059
the king's head in in Holborn but it's

1055
00:46:27,549 --> 00:46:25,609
some in my oven i'll know it's there's

1056
00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:27,559
something oak in Holborn now that's

1057
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:28,520
right because it was always in my

1058
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:31,490
knowledge something like but anyway

1059
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:33,530
check it out on me on me on the internet

1060
00:46:42,339 --> 00:46:38,089
and fine so if listeners one who meet

1061
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,349
Chrissy in person I'll be there um from

1062
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:44,000
about six o'clock anything on your

1063
00:46:49,299 --> 00:46:45,890
Tuesday night but I'm also going to be

1064
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:49,309
down at Goldsmiths on the fifteenth of

1065
00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:53,930
June there's a talk being given there by

1066
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,270
a professor who's talking about the

1067
00:47:00,640 --> 00:46:58,160
recovered memory debate which as

1068
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:00,650
listeners may know that one of my one of

1069
00:47:07,059 --> 00:47:04,250
my bags so um if you want to come along

1070
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:07,069
and have a chat down there that would be

1071
00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:09,380
cool we can meet up before and because

1072
00:47:14,289 --> 00:47:11,960
I've got my fantastic new recorder um

1073
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:14,299
maybe we get a bunch of people and we

1074
00:47:19,089 --> 00:47:16,849
can all I can record everybody chatting

1075
00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:19,099
about skepticism in London what a great

1076
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:20,809
idea you could have a London think tank

1077
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:23,569
salute are we can't let's have it let's

1078
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:27,530
let's do our there we go right the

1079
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,559
pender all spindles oak hi hope and

1080
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:32,960
that's the pub what's the website

1081
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:35,480
beautiful check out I'm just skeptics

1082
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,569
skeptics in the pub London yes I'm not

1083
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:40,640
skeptics in the pub dog there we go

1084
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:42,950
that's the one so listen is if you'd

1085
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:44,540
like to be part of the think tank and

1086
00:47:48,670 --> 00:47:46,190
we'd love to have a London think tank

1087
00:47:51,339 --> 00:47:48,680
hosted by Chris dr. Chrissy Wilson check

1088
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:51,349
out the site get yourself along and I'm

1089
00:47:54,849 --> 00:47:52,460
sure you can all cook up something

1090
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:54,859
between you and you can ask chrissy what

1091
00:47:59,289 --> 00:47:57,200
really goes on here when we're recording

1092
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,299
the think tank what australians are

1093
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,000
really like what we're doing right now

1094
00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:04,200
Jason and I are both on our laptop

1095
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:07,720
sending emails to Chrissy and spamming

1096
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:10,960
her as we speak is that what you're

1097
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:13,900
doing oh yeah now James you just took a

1098
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:15,700
photograph of our microphone setup did

1099
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,190
you two do that no not yet I'll do that

1100
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:20,880
since we're finished recording all right

1101
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:23,860
and speaking of the avian see what a

1102
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:26,260
great segue that was dr. AG you have

1103
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:29,290
some more news yes I don't know if we

1104
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:31,090
mentioned this last week maybe not but

1105
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:33,610
the avian had scheduled themselves well

1106
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:35,260
I know I did I talked about it on da man

1107
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:37,330
she loves ratios so they were meant to

1108
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:40,980
have a seminar in Perth after there were

1109
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:43,540
seemed to be a spike of adverse

1110
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:45,100
reactions to the flu vaccine and

1111
00:48:51,180 --> 00:48:48,250
children under five now that seminar was

1112
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:51,190
canceled it was being scheduled to be

1113
00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:53,020
held at the Uniting Church in the city

1114
00:49:00,780 --> 00:48:56,590
in Perth and at the eleventh hour almost

1115
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,790
literally the church canceled it now

1116
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:03,280
it's subsequently been rescheduled and

1117
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:05,970
this time Jason it's going to be at

1118
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:11,400
state library of wa is now yes yes so

1119
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:13,720
the perception of that would be its kind

1120
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:16,030
of given that it's a state library the

1121
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:17,200
perception would be its government

1122
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:20,980
endorsed which obviously is not yeah

1123
00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:23,830
it's a little worrying time but we'll

1124
00:49:31,890 --> 00:49:28,060
see what we can do there's any

1125
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:31,900
conspiracy no no no um let them believe

1126
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:34,120
it they'll believe it anyway yes he's

1127
00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:35,950
our privacy I mean it's interesting

1128
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:39,460
because of some of some people that I've

1129
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:43,000
heard I heard that some people were

1130
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:45,640
looking into the makeup of the board of

1131
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:48,580
governors essentially for the library

1132
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:51,400
and WA and there's a couple of people on

1133
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:53,290
there that might be not particularly

1134
00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:55,780
happy about having this type of seminar

1135
00:50:02,450 --> 00:49:58,270
and they put on their premises one of

1136
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:02,460
whom is a medico who specialism obg

1137
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:07,030
Hobbes and line so she might be

1138
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:08,650
interested to know exactly did the

1139
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:10,930
nature of the avians material and

1140
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:13,930
that her the venue of which she is on

1141
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:15,640
the board of governors is being used for

1142
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:18,730
this but according to information from

1143
00:50:24,839 --> 00:50:22,089
mrs dory the library has assured her

1144
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:24,849
that they will not cancel this time and

1145
00:50:30,299 --> 00:50:27,450
it won't happen and do guaranteed

1146
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:30,309
according to information from mrs dory

1147
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:32,710
good well that's the big caveat as me

1148
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:34,900
you can't necessarily trust information

1149
00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:38,050
according to mrs. dory oh but you know

1150
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:40,589
we'll see how it all works out

1151
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:43,410
Australia's expert in vector vaccination

1152
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:46,329
leader expert eating expert in vaccine

1153
00:50:51,809 --> 00:50:49,660
is a brain yeah that's right it's like

1154
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:51,819
Jenny McCarthy has a mummy Instagram

1155
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:56,740
well yeah that's the same thing so the

1156
00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:59,490
first of june i think is change or to be

1157
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:02,410
to be happening what one interesting

1158
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:04,420
thing about their previous cancellation

1159
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:08,589
was initially it was blamed on the

1160
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:10,450
church and also on the Department of

1161
00:51:16,859 --> 00:51:14,140
Health so it's since been blamed on the

1162
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:16,869
skeptics and some people who wrote lying

1163
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:21,910
letters to the church and off now there

1164
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:24,670
was also some news from the avian saying

1165
00:51:27,569 --> 00:51:25,660
that there would be a huge media

1166
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:27,579
backlash as a result of this

1167
00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:30,190
cancellation now someone who's not here

1168
00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:32,349
tonight um Dave the happy singer posted

1169
00:51:37,339 --> 00:51:34,750
a picture recently on Facebook of this

1170
00:51:46,799 --> 00:51:37,349
media backlash and it was a tumbleweed

1171
00:51:50,789 --> 00:51:46,809
because the the circle Mickey of

1172
00:51:53,220 --> 00:51:50,799
backlash was mrs. dory calling up one

1173
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:53,230
talkback radio station in Perth to a

1174
00:51:58,980 --> 00:51:55,240
sympathetic talkback host by the name of

1175
00:52:01,950 --> 00:51:58,990
is it Harry sattler I don't so yeah

1176
00:52:07,319 --> 00:52:01,960
whatever he's yeah he works for six PR

1177
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:07,329
which is am in Western Australia now so

1178
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,369
she called him up first and then a

1179
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:10,720
couple of days later she called him up

1180
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:12,040
again and he had some discussion about

1181
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:14,200
it and then some of us did a little bit

1182
00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:17,500
of Google search on sattler now he's

1183
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:20,799
been a talkback host for 25 years or

1184
00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:21,580
something along

1185
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:24,340
long time now if listeners in Australia

1186
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:26,050
are familiar with the program Media

1187
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:29,110
Watch which I'm sure we are or our

1188
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:31,570
international listeners would may have

1189
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:32,950
heard of it but basically it's a media

1190
00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:35,140
watchdog program so if you find

1191
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:36,700
something wrong in the media you alert

1192
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:38,500
them and they basically slap people

1193
00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:40,810
around for it so yeah any journalists

1194
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:42,460
that end up on Media Watch it's a it's

1195
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:44,830
it's known as a big shame it's a black

1196
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:46,600
mark against your name delicious the

1197
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,090
mediator on its superb it is it's

1198
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:51,960
wonderful and the guy who hosts it just

1199
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:54,250
you know it's no holds barred and in

1200
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:55,690
fact last week he actually gave himself

1201
00:53:01,380 --> 00:52:58,690
a slap for doing something wrong anyway

1202
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:01,390
um if you do a search for Media Watch NM

1203
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:05,050
and Howard Sattler you'll find a powered

1204
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:07,810
tablet yes did I say Harry yeah how ok

1205
00:53:13,850 --> 00:53:10,090
Howard how exactly you'll find a long

1206
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:13,860
list of mentions on media watch for

1207
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:17,740
incorrect information for slanderous

1208
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:19,930
information for racist information

1209
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:23,170
interestingly what actually is a sort of

1210
00:53:28,590 --> 00:53:26,290
a vague equivalent to rush limbaugh in

1211
00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:28,600
the states right well I mean he's meant

1212
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:31,000
to be a shock jock but back in 1992 I

1213
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:33,400
know that's a long time ago but this is

1214
00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:35,500
quite a famous incident I there were

1215
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:38,260
three young Aboriginal boys killed in a

1216
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:40,770
car accident and he was quoted as saying

1217
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:43,840
good riddance to bad rubbish I'm glad

1218
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:46,420
they're dead or something like that and

1219
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:48,040
so there's reference to that all over

1220
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:50,790
the internet because some and then in

1221
00:53:59,460 --> 00:53:54,430
2005 he did something similar where he

1222
00:54:00,900 --> 00:53:59,470
had a cold caller bring up about

1223
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:00,910
shoot yourself in the head or

1224
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:03,130
something and he's laughed about it and

1225
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,100
said oh I didn't say that but hahaha so

1226
00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:09,280
disgusting I don't know you're a rapper

1227
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:12,580
yeah yeah well okay I don't know if me

1228
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:14,590
mentioning this in the same context as

1229
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:16,900
metal dorias poisoning the well is it is

1230
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:19,300
it is it a logical fallacy no but it's a

1231
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:22,960
great segue it's only a logical fallacy

1232
00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:26,440
if you're trying to cheat with it

1233
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:31,000
no no what my point is that the media

1234
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:32,650
backlash has come from is one guy who

1235
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:36,609
has a dubious past and it was instigated

1236
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:38,470
by Merrill herself ring exactly yeah

1237
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:41,260
exactly so Tom always start with the

1238
00:54:45,089 --> 00:54:43,720
avian yeah and the tumbleweeds are still

1239
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:45,099
rolling as far as my crickets are

1240
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:48,220
chirping yeah that's right now people

1241
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:49,960
can find out about tumbleweeds and

1242
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,410
crickets at your website can they hey

1243
00:55:01,559 --> 00:54:54,640
Dayton why don't you tell us all about

1244
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:01,569
it skeptic air oh yes I'm trying to give

1245
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,910
him a plug folks I'm looking at that

1246
00:55:08,579 --> 00:55:06,400
Meryl at the moment oh can we talk about

1247
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:08,589
that Meryl can you mention that Marilyn

1248
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:28,700
that's what you were

1249
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:32,040
so what is that Meryl all about that

1250
00:55:37,550 --> 00:55:34,270
Meryl is a short web series highlighting

1251
00:55:39,859 --> 00:55:37,560
some of the idiocy the Meryl comes out

1252
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:39,869
let's face it it's not that difficult

1253
00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:42,550
there's a lot of material somebody

1254
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:44,340
commented on Facebook the other day that

1255
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:46,630
wondering when the feature-length movie

1256
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:48,130
is giving them out and the following

1257
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:50,560
comment was this plenty of material for

1258
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,510
that it could be any time now so that

1259
00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:57,760
Meryl is a youtube series it's a youtube

1260
00:56:03,300 --> 00:55:59,560
series yes you can find out a youtube

1261
00:56:08,099 --> 00:56:03,310
com forward slash that Meryl and be ryl

1262
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:08,109
and basically it's taking phrases that

1263
00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:11,290
she's or statements that she's made and

1264
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,750
then putting them up in black and white

1265
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:15,640
just to point out how ridiculous or

1266
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:18,520
wrong they are and then having a scene

1267
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:20,080
from the League of Gentlemen when I say

1268
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:23,230
that Meredith each one's about 20

1269
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:25,090
seconds long it's quite good its recent

1270
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:26,830
however we were talking things but

1271
00:56:41,099 --> 00:56:37,020
your website of course I'm a real

1272
00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:41,109
website yeah yes skeptic 80.com yes as

1273
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:42,550
I've mentioned a couple of times before

1274
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:45,430
I think on it on the tank skeptic ater

1275
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:47,590
is an RSS aggregator for skeptical

1276
00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:50,650
content and it's searchable and all

1277
00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:52,590
sorts of cool things can be found for it

1278
00:56:58,500 --> 00:56:55,720
I've upgraded the search today I said

1279
00:57:01,560 --> 00:56:58,510
now returns far more search results and

1280
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:01,570
I'm up to probably approaching by the

1281
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:03,400
time this episode comes out about twenty

1282
00:57:10,109 --> 00:57:07,359
thousand articles I'm all nearly all

1283
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:10,119
skeptically focused so that Sam it's

1284
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:12,490
going along a pace it's quite quite cool

1285
00:57:17,099 --> 00:57:15,070
I'm excited and someone brought it home

1286
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:17,109
to me the other day that eventually if I

1287
00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:18,070
keep this gun for a couple of years

1288
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:19,840
there's going to be million-plus

1289
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:21,130
articles on there and I'm going to have

1290
00:57:25,830 --> 00:57:22,540
to deal with this enormous amount of

1291
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:25,840
data and I sort of I trembled and then I

1292
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:28,310
went oh cool

1293
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:36,650
this is kind of great yeah one of the

1294
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:38,030
things he can find there actually is

1295
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:40,850
draw mohammed day we haven't study till

1296
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:41,930
eight and ten that we're recording

1297
00:57:45,810 --> 00:57:43,940
dominated to get together today it's

1298
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:45,820
been absolutely full of draw mohammed

1299
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:48,860
content but i'll let you carry on it

1300
00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:50,570
Lewis all-stars off by a woman by the

1301
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:52,460
name of Molly Norris was it I'm late

1302
00:57:58,810 --> 00:57:56,230
Morris yeah she drizzle up the other day

1303
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:58,820
South Park had a couple of episodes

1304
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:01,520
where Mohammed was shown wearing a bear

1305
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:06,890
suit instead enhancements of water

1306
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:11,830
services basically that was for okay

1307
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:15,380
yeah okay South Park had an episode that

1308
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:17,510
included Mohammed inert but they weren't

1309
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:18,950
allowed to show him at all because of

1310
00:58:22,690 --> 00:58:20,570
all the recent conflicts with the Danish

1311
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:22,700
cartoons so they had him in a u-haul

1312
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:25,700
trailer in a bear costume in a bunch of

1313
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:28,490
other things just always covered up and

1314
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:31,760
still they got threatens so this person

1315
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:34,550
came long drop a little postage for a

1316
00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:36,170
bit of a laugh which the one saw flop

1317
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:40,520
picture of a tree a house a car or with

1318
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:42,290
arrows pointing them to them saying this

1319
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:45,110
is muhammad stands it off to quite a few

1320
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:46,730
people in the social networking arena

1321
00:58:51,310 --> 00:58:49,180
they sent it on it became viral

1322
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:51,320
everybody wants to get behind us because

1323
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:53,390
molly is an actual cartoonist from

1324
00:58:56,860 --> 00:58:55,640
Seattle so yeah there would have been a

1325
00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:56,870
lot of people got that in the first

1326
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,270
round this despatched to me this is very

1327
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:01,760
similar to boobquake you know about but

1328
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:05,010
it is yes christon you just know okay

1329
00:59:12,809 --> 00:59:10,180
um boob hike sure we discussed that last

1330
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:12,819
time I I think we had we gave it a

1331
00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:15,630
mention okay boobquake was because this

1332
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:19,079
Islamic cleric decided that Oh

1333
00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:22,569
proclaimed that earthquakes and other

1334
00:59:29,490 --> 00:59:26,500
such things were more or less a result

1335
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:29,500
of women wearing revealing clothing so

1336
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,250
let's leave it she was true so these

1337
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:35,920
women said well this day I can't

1338
00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:38,170
remember what they was his boobquake day

1339
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:39,670
and women were encouraged to wear

1340
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:42,010
revealing tops you see in showing

1341
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:45,609
cleavage and and and then to see where

1342
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:47,770
into it won't you then to see whether

1343
00:59:53,069 --> 00:59:50,170
the earthquake measurements for that day

1344
00:59:54,180 --> 00:59:53,079
went up or down you see so many some

1345
00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:54,190
other things we're not and down that

1346
01:00:02,970 --> 00:59:59,530
this typical depauw me to lower the tone

1347
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:02,980
I remember what you and I were doing

1348
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:08,079
that day oh no means we don't get to

1349
01:00:15,809 --> 01:00:12,690
leave it at that and on that bombshell

1350
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:15,819
we walk to the airport Oh walk to the

1351
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:18,460
airport nothing that oh you know where

1352
01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:20,890
are you healing clothes yeah yes I was

1353
01:00:25,319 --> 01:00:23,020
he was wearing one of those um mesh

1354
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:25,329
singlets but you can see I'm very short

1355
01:00:29,609 --> 01:00:27,849
short yeah yeah that's right and he was

1356
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:29,619
swishing all the way to do but strangely

1357
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:33,660
enough no earthquakes a few cars crash

1358
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:38,470
in shock getting back to Mohammed oh yes

1359
01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:42,880
anyway sooner became viral and everybody

1360
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:44,740
started getting behind it she decided no

1361
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,970
this was just meant to be a one-off

1362
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:47,920
image to make people laugh I didn't

1363
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:49,390
actually want this to happen so she'd

1364
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:52,930
start disassociate yourself from it so

1365
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,089
now the Molly Norris the original

1366
01:01:00,660 --> 01:00:57,040
creator of it is no longer got anything

1367
01:01:02,690 --> 01:01:00,670
to do with draw mohammed date however it

1368
01:01:04,579 --> 01:01:02,700
doesn't stop there

1369
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:04,589
one of the people who took it upside to

1370
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:06,450
create a facebook group behind it yeah

1371
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:09,240
try and collect all the pictures a lot

1372
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:10,140
of the pictures that were getting

1373
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:11,700
uploaded will quite rude and disgusting

1374
01:01:16,460 --> 01:01:14,550
things and once he saw that he didn't

1375
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:16,470
want anything to do with it either so

1376
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:19,500
two main people who have turned into a

1377
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,380
sensation both of them turn their backs

1378
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:23,760
on and now don't want anything to do

1379
01:01:30,339 --> 01:01:26,640
with it Wow but it's quite strange that

1380
01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:30,349
Facebook eh day has just been incredible

1381
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:33,300
some of the stuff you would expect to

1382
01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:34,710
see from the underbelly of the internet

1383
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,109
rather than Facebook but yeah it's been

1384
01:01:40,819 --> 01:01:38,880
absolutely hilarious there's been a

1385
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,829
large Muslim contingent just copy

1386
01:01:46,339 --> 01:01:42,660
pasting I who act by all over the whole

1387
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:46,349
thing and millions of pictures i confess

1388
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:48,450
i put a picture up there myself on a

1389
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:51,240
little post-it note um so but yeah it's

1390
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:53,099
been ages i tell you very nice book and

1391
01:01:56,540 --> 01:01:54,570
look forward to draw mohammed date or

1392
01:01:58,190 --> 01:01:56,550
I'm going to skeptic a lemon bay or a

1393
01:02:00,050 --> 01:01:58,200
skeptic it has been covered with it and

1394
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,060
there's a search for draw my hammer day

1395
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,119
on skipper cater and the greatest upshot

1396
01:02:10,700 --> 01:02:04,920
of it all I think is the Pakistan Today

1397
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:10,710
band facebook totally so hey guys and

1398
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:15,569
Pakistan try and friend me go on I'm

1399
01:02:20,089 --> 01:02:17,460
just reminded of a line from The

1400
01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:20,099
Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy where

1401
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,710
there's a newscast now the heroes are on

1402
01:02:25,819 --> 01:02:23,940
the heart of gold traveling for the

1403
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:25,829
galaxy and they're watching a newscast

1404
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:28,050
and the guy says hello to all the

1405
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:29,670
intelligent people the universe watching

1406
01:02:43,330 --> 01:02:31,319
this and to all the rest of you the

1407
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:48,650
you remember there you go oh I cacked

1408
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:50,130
myself silly when I saw that the first

1409
01:02:53,660 --> 01:02:52,170
time and I think i'm going to be

1410
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:53,670
catching myself silly all the way home

1411
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:55,050
but i'd like to thank unless there's

1412
01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:56,190
anything else we wanted to talk about

1413
01:03:01,760 --> 01:02:59,850
yeah I think we're all talked out I I'd

1414
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:01,770
like to thank dr. hu thank you dr. AG

1415
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:04,530
thank you Richard thank you very much of

1416
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:07,110
course and I'd like to thank Jason made

1417
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:09,570
you rich it basically see dr. Chris you

1418
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:11,130
all the best on your trip thank you very

1419
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:13,050
much and I hope some Skippy its own

1420
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:15,960
pants come along blink a funeral homes

1421
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:18,330
thank you thank you very much and unto

1422
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:21,090
our next a think tank with bus

1423
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:22,380
announcements and everything it's

1424
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:29,910
goodbye from us here at the club OSP

1425
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:54,530
Richard mean after that episode I've

1426
01:03:59,780 --> 01:03:57,450
almost completely he are you are yeah

1427
01:04:01,880 --> 01:03:59,790
just the vibrations coming from the

1428
01:04:03,890 --> 01:04:01,890
speaker's of my computer yes it's just

1429
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:03,900
sending a healing energy through my

1430
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,370
bronchial towards all that report from

1431
01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:07,680
the mind-body wallet wasn't it was the

1432
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:12,390
chakra my bronchial chakra is is just

1433
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:14,370
vibrating and all those bacteria are

1434
01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:15,690
just they're just dropping like flies

1435
01:04:21,020 --> 01:04:18,780
are they I it's it's a phenomenon and

1436
01:04:22,610 --> 01:04:21,030
thank you for sharing that with that's

1437
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,620
quite all right and look if all else

1438
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:24,240
fails you can always try the good old

1439
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:26,280
applied kinesiology as seen on the

1440
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:28,470
skeptics own video applied kinesiology

1441
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:31,890
one that sounds extremely site if it is

1442
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:34,710
I well look thanks reaching for having

1443
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:37,740
me again I I do apologize for my for my

1444
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:39,600
ill health for the last few weeks I've

1445
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,010
been so out of the loop it's been

1446
01:04:44,090 --> 01:04:42,900
frustrating and disappointing but it's

1447
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:44,100
great to know that you've been carrying

1448
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,170
the baton without me we have but now

1449
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:48,540
you're back and you're almost better yet

1450
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:49,860
the listeners will be pleased to hear

1451
01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:51,090
that because people have been writing in

1452
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:53,640
saying where Stefan so I I have been

1453
01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:55,350
very disappointed it's been a struggle

1454
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:57,510
but but it's it's fantastic now it's

1455
01:05:02,180 --> 01:04:59,490
almost it's almost over excellent Stefan

1456
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:02,190
well you go now and get into your sauna

1457
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:04,680
with your chakras and your crystals can

1458
01:05:08,060 --> 01:05:06,510
you shut and your healing a little bit

1459
01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:08,070
of a rhyme of therapy I think we'll do

1460
01:05:12,590 --> 01:05:09,990
it yeah I think that'll that'll that'll

1461
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:12,600
really cleans the day alright we'll see

1462
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,690
you next next time ok stuff is Right see

1463
01:05:24,810 --> 01:05:20,820
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1464
01:05:28,590 --> 01:05:24,820
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1465
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:28,600
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1466
01:05:31,830 --> 01:05:42,710
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1467
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,560
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